Welcome to this power-packed episode of The Programming Podcast featuring hosts Leon Noel and Danny Thompson with special guest Andy Wong. In this in‐depth conversation, the trio dives into what it really means to be a mature engineer—one who not only masters technical skills but also leads by advocating for junior engineers. They share personal experiences from diverse tech backgrounds (from startups and boot camps to big tech giants like Meta, Google, Amazon, and Wayfair), discuss the art of “two‐way door engineering” (making decisions that are reversible versus irreversible), and explore career strategy in an ever-evolving industry.
Throughout this 73‑minute episode, you’ll hear about:• Mentorship & Advocacy: How investing in your juniors and empowering teams can drive both personal and organizational success.• Career Growth & Decision-Making: The importance of taking risks, learning iteratively, and knowing when a decision is reversible—what Andy calls “two‑way door engineering.”• Navigating Different Work Cultures: The trade-offs between startup agility and the structure of big tech, including insights into job hopping and innovation.• Work-Life Balance & Burnout Prevention: Real talk about managing your time, setting boundaries, and keeping the passion alive without burning out.• Listener Q&A: A candid response to a listener’s question about whether it’s too late to start learning tech later in life.If you’re passionate about personal growth, leadership in engineering, and practical career advice—all delivered with honesty, humor, and a genuine commitment to helping others—this episode is for you.
Engineering @ Meta | prev. @Block, Google, Amazon
0:00 – Intro
1:16 – Meet the Hosts & Guest: Andy Wong
2:47 – Why Andy Was Requested (and Requested Himself)
4:10 – The Many Faces of Andy Wong
6:05 – The Boston Connection & Early Days
7:00 – Mentorship Through Wayfair & Lab Zero
10:46 – Teaching SQL and Explaining Backends
13:18 – Internal Advocacy and Following Up
15:20 – The Senior Engineer's Real Role: Advocacy
18:29 – Defining Seniority vs. Management
19:48 – Startups vs. Big Tech: Myths & Trade-offs
25:17 – Job-Hopping and Career Longevity
26:32 – Startups and the Illusion of Innovation
30:06 – The Power of Risk: Two-Way Door Engineering
33:32 – How Meta Encourages Fast Iteration
38:05 – Personal Risk Tolerance & Career Strategy
41:06 – Keeping Your Head on Straight
44:42 – Avoiding Burnout & Setting Boundaries
46:09 – The Grind for Early-Career Devs
50:58 – The Truth Behind 1:1s & Early Confidence
54:00 – You Don’t Need Permission to Grow
56:03 – Rest vs. Recovery: Knowing the Difference
58:17 – Motivation, Momentum & Being Petty
1:05:00 – Building Projects for Impact (and Spite)
1:08:03 – Too Old To Code?!
